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vereiser
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 11:28 pm    Post subject: [ ] Interface for blind people (input and output devices)

The big advantage of a sequencer, full keyboard using, could be assist by voice output. You press a special key to get all time information via voice output (the key set the voice output to on or off). Every thing you do will say Sk@le.

Understand what I mean.

P.S. For a later version.
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Rio
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 12:18 am    Post subject:

Ohhh... thats silly. I want to listen to my creation, not to a silly voice output. thats after while so boring, and not usefully.

I don't believe that a blind woman or man want to use a tracker. There are so many typing commands and so on.... in tracks or pattern.
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vereiser
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 10:30 am    Post subject:

Rio wrote:
Ohhh... thats silly. I want to listen to my creation, not to a silly voice output. thats after while so boring, and not usefully.


But skale has a structure you can build in your head (you manly work in the pattern view). The voice output should be an orientation sometimes (set it to on or off). It is a very special feature. And an Idea for the feature. Why there should not an interface for our blind fellow citizen. But first Skale needs be finished with its "normal" functions.
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Squirrel Havoc
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 5:52 pm    Post subject:

(this is not spam) at the modplug forums, theres a blind man who uses modplug tracker, so of course blind people use trackers.
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vereiser
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 11:02 pm    Post subject:

Thanx for that argument Squirrel Havoc. That is what I say.

I don't know, how long I can see with my eyes. Nobody knows. What I know is I never want to stop creating music.
An interface for blind wo/men should be implemented at the end.

There has to be a discussion with those ppl first.
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Irrelevant
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 1:10 pm    Post subject: A Few Thoughts about Blind Operation

Musical software that blind people can use would be, I think, pioneering
or something.. breakthrough.

And hell, a tracker you can use with your eyes closed, that's impressive
in itself.

I dunno about the voice thing though, I think most people would rather
use their own speech synthesizers and text readers. Though voices
reading off numbers and notes and values internally, might help...
Clever use of non-visual signals that indicate levels and values would
be an interesting road to explore and develop... just interfering with
the music and sound creation, is a possible dilemna, maybe.

I know many sound cards have two separate outputs, one that's amped,
and one that's not amped.. I dunno if one can be used for commands and
software information, and another for the actual piece of music, or not.


I admit, I don't fully understand the conversation or the technology,
but those are some thoughts that I felt I had to type. Reasearching
technology for the blind is something I always wanted to do.. was on my
backburner, though.


I try to keep blindness in mind when making web pages, at least.


It's amazing, when you think of it, how much we take our eyes for granted.

I remember chatting on irc with a blind person, and that (excuse the poor
choice of expressions/idioms/whatever) opened my eyes to a whole new
awareness of how computers change people's lives.

(I also remember playing with FT2, well, playing xm's I wrote, without a
monitor. memorizing prompts, etc, and the 'pmp.exe' command in the
early versions...)


A lot of software and computer related things 'are' created w/out thinking
of blindness, and since this is a musical program, being able to use it
w/out a monitor or seeing is an interesting idea.

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dBlues
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 2:43 pm    Post subject:

Interesting idea, indeed.
The interface would have to be very simple to use eyes closed. If you think about it, in trackers there's already a possibility to use keyboard as a playing interface (keyjazz). If you take keyjazz and add the ability to record the keystrokes, you can see that it's possible to build this kind of interface that the blind can operate. It could include a 'loop', where a blind user could constantly switch between a menu(that would be spoken out loud as user moves from item to another. Items would be 'pattern edit', disk op', 'sample edit' etc) and an operational state (pattern editing, disk operating etc) with a key like enter. There's also this function that's called 'rubbing', I think... with this, you can use a mouse and click to a point in a songs timeline and hear the exact part playing. Then when you move the mouse, you can hear the song playing with the speed of the cursor. I guess that'd be a good thing to have if you were a blind person (perhaps a 'rub' item in the menu, and a screen wide rubbing surface). I don't know if any of this nonsense makes any sense to you, but it was fun thinking how I'd want to operate my computer without eyes
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oxygenfad
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:55 pm    Post subject:

I think it's a great idea. If the speech bothers you then switch it off. But for the sack of people who wouldn't be able to use skale with out it, I would say add the option. Why not?
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vereiser
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:12 am    Post subject:

It's nice to see that so many ppl speak about that suggestion here.

Thanx Irrelevant and dBlues for the detailed information and your description of the implementation. So my primary suggestion (an interface for blind ppl) has get a face.

In addition we hear our music better with closed eyes. The brain cpu usage of our eyes is very high. Personally I would use another keyboard with more functions, when I can close my eyes while i'm tracking.
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 3:48 pm    Post subject:

hope this point will discuss later too
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